Watchmen

[jedispyder]

Go fucking see it. Now!

[wolf_2099]

I did not think it was good. No need to rush out to see it.

[William McDert]

2 of my roomies went tonight and loved it, but did not appreciate the copious amounts of cock and the hardcore sexxin

[CBKA]

Im supposed to go watching this tonight with my missus but im not convinced she'll like it.

and to be fair i dont have high expectation either

[jedispyder]

The cocks are funny cause they're blue, so everytime you see it you snicker at it....

[Mr Wallstreet]

The blue cocks are the core of Watchmen. Also, while the film looks great, I'm not too excited to see it.

[Python]

I'll be seeing it tonight on an IMAX screen. I've never watched a movie on one of those before, so it should be a cool experience.

[MGM]

I'm catching it Sunday on IMAX (what's the big deal about that anyway?). I'm looking kinda forward to it, but expect to be served nothing grand.

[CBKA]

It was ok. Better than i expected, but nowhere near as good as the graphic novel

[jedispyder]

Did you actually expect it to be as good as the graphic novel? Lol, nothing can be as good as that ;)

[Captain Jack]

This was a terrible, terrible movie. Not just a terrible adaptation, a terrible movie in general. Anyone who hasn't seen it yet should save the ten bucks and buy themselves something shiny. This movie is to be dismissed entirely.

[jedispyder]

Bah, you just don't know to enjoy movies in general ;) You're not supposed to bring your brain to a movie, I keep telling you that but you keep forgetting ^_^

[Captain Jack]

I'm just saying, one of the best comics ever has spawned one of the worst movies ever. Somewhere, Alan Moore is laughing, and I applaud him for it.

There was so much wrong with that movie, it doesn't even warrant discussion. Save your money, people.

[jedispyder]

No, worst adaptation was League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. That was a piece of utter shit, lol. I was too close to the comic when I saw the movie and it fucking appalled me. Alan Moore was laughing his ass off at that one...

[CBKA]

I didn't expect it to be like the comic but still..

It just didn't feel like the film even had a plotline, which given the source material is appaling. Why was the mask killer plotline hardly mentioned? its probably the main plotline of the comic.

I think they tryed to stay too close to the graphic novel and by doing so failed to realise alot of the stuff doesn't work in a movie. I went with my girlfriend who told me she didn't have a clue what was going on until near the end. sure shes pretty thick but i can see what she means. A film should be well written and keep people gripped until the finale, not confuse them and sort it out at the end.

My inner geek still enjoyed bits of it though.

[jedispyder]

I had no problem understanding it, and its been years since I read the comic. The plot was pretty understandable to me, the Comedienne was killed in the beginning and now we're trying to figure out who did it.

I do agree there was a lot of extra stuff that wasn't needed, but most of the stuff was to aid a point. Not all, but most. Some things could have easily been cut out to make it shorter and maybe less confusing.

I still stand by my point that I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Then again I'm very easily entertained and I enjoy almost every movie I see, lol. I'm not like others where a movie has to be completely perfect, I just sit back and let my brain relax for the movie.

[jedispyder]

And it seems I'm not the only person who really enjoyed it. Over at Newsarama there is a poll that 401 people have taken: http://www.newsarama.com/film/090307-watchmen-poll.html
10 - Perfect 12% (47 votes)
9 19% (76 votes)
8 33% (131 votes)
7 15% (60 votes)
6 7% (27 votes)
5 - Average 7% (30 votes)
4 2% (9 votes)
3 1% (6 votes)
2 1% (3 votes)
1 <1% (2 votes)
0 - Utter failure 2% (10 votes)

So all you bitchers (cough Jack cough) are the minority ^_^

[CBKA]

The problem is, in the comic, most of the scenes are delicately linked. In the movie by removing numerous scenes and not compensating for them in the remaining ones, it ruined the flow of the movie. I never found it that confusing, but i have read the comic.

It should never, ever, be a pre-requirement to read the source material before watching a movie.

[CBKA]

And it seems I'm not the only person who really enjoyed it. Over at Newsarama there is a poll that 401 people have taken: http://www.newsarama.com/film/090307-watchmen-poll.html
10 - Perfect 12% (47 votes)
9 19% (76 votes)
8 33% (131 votes)
7 15% (60 votes)
6 7% (27 votes)
5 - Average 7% (30 votes)
4 2% (9 votes)
3 1% (6 votes)
2 1% (3 votes)
1 <1% (2 votes)
0 - Utter failure 2% (10 votes)

So all you bitchers (cough Jack cough) are the minority ^_^

401 people (all presumably comic book fans to boot) is hardly proof of the movies enjoyability.

The point of turning it into a movie is to reach a wider audience and in that respect i think it will be summed up in one word. Fail.

And i would probably stick a 5 rating on it. (which is alot better than i thought it would be to be fair)

[jedispyder]

If you look at Jack's statement, he was saying as a comic adaptation it was horrible. Now here we have the fans who are saying it wasn't. That's my point, that not all fans think this is horrible.

And I really didn't feel I had to read the comics to understand the movie, I felt everything was presented in the movie for you to enjoy it. As I've said, its been years since I read the comic and only remembered very few things, but I still felt I could follow the movie. I had no trouble at all, whatsoever. I do agree it would be interesting to see how non-comic fans enjoyed it. In the thread someone commented that their non-comic friends really enjoyed it.

[Junkogen]

I thought the movie was great. But I was also on a bit of mushrooms, so that biases my opinion somewhat. There were parts that were silly and overdone, but that didn't take away from the movie too much.

As far as the blue cock is concerned, who cares? It's a dick. I know all of you have seen and masturbated to copious porn flicks over the years. I did think the fuck scene between the "II"'s was pretty comical. Of course, it's fun to see Malin Akerman's breasteses.

But now I'm a bit worried because of the "shroom bias." Will I enjoy it as much completely sober?

I would say read or at least familiarize yourself with the comic before seeing the movie. Then the imagination does the rest.

...and take shrooms. :D

[Crash]

Wow. Really in-depth well-reasoned arguments here.

[CBKA]

Wow. Really in-depth well-reasoned arguments here.

I know :uhoh2:


quick lets derail it :willy_nilly::banana2:

[CBKA]

I thought the movie was great. But I was also on a bit of mushrooms, so that biases my opinion somewhat. There were parts that were silly and overdone, but that didn't take away from the movie too much.

As far as the blue cock is concerned, who cares? It's a dick. I know all of you have scene and masturbated to copious porn flicks over the years. I did think the fuck scene between the "II"'s was pretty comical. Of course, it's fun to see Malin Akerman's breasteses.

But now I'm a bit worried because of the "shroom bias." Will I enjoy it as much completely sober?

I would say read or at least familiarize yourself with the comic before seeing the movie. Then the imagination does the rest.

...and take shrooms. :D

Did you see it in imax? i can just imagine you trying to punch dan dreisberg and getting thrown out


I actually think ill enjoy it more on a second viewing

[wolf_2099]

If you look at Jack's statement, he was saying as a comic adaptation it was horrible. Now here we have the fans who are saying it wasn't. That's my point, that not all fans think this is horrible.

And I really didn't feel I had to read the comics to understand the movie, I felt everything was presented in the movie for you to enjoy it. As I've said, its been years since I read the comic and only remembered very few things, but I still felt I could follow the movie. I had no trouble at all, whatsoever. I do agree it would be interesting to see how non-comic fans enjoyed it. In the thread someone commented that their non-comic friends really enjoyed it.

Even as a movie it was chunky, and had no flow. The acting of Nightowl and Silk Specter was uneven, and not great by any means. Also, in the comic, I actually felt for, and was worried about the characters, in the movie I could not have given a crap what happened to them.

For a gritty movie, the fight scenes were ridiculous and nothing like what you'd expect to see in an actual fight. Like 300, and while it worked there, it did not work here. The blood and sounds of bones snapping, however, were awesome.

The ending also feel apart. I can't put my finger on it, but it just did not work for me, anyone I saw it with. Something about using and turning Doctor Manhattan into a scapegoat just didn't fit with the rest of the movie.

While Zack Snyder makes very very good visual movies, this one fell apart.

When Alan Moore says his comics aren't meant only to be told in comic format, and unable to be told properly in other mediums, I think we should believe him. Especially after the last 3 aboritions.

[Junkogen]

Wow. Really in-depth well-reasoned arguments here.

Then read the New York Times, jackass.

[Crash]

Then read the New York Times, jackass.

They don't have them, either. They thought Watchmen, despite being rated R, was supposed to be a kids movie.

[Junkogen]

Did you see it in imax? i can just imagine you trying to punch dan dreisberg and getting thrown out


I actually think ill enjoy it more on a second viewing

IMAX is too expensive. I've spent enough on The Watchmen intellectual property as it is. I have the whole comic set from back in the day, which is hopefully still at my parents' house (I should ask them). And I also have the TPB, now, to refresh my memory of the comic version.

I guess I'll have to wait until it comes out on DVD to really appreciate your criticisms.

[Junkogen]

They don't have them, either. They thought Watchmen, despite being rated R, was supposed to be a kids movie.
I thought the reviewer said it was more of an overdone anachronism.

I don't know, man. I guess you can keep searching or watch the movie yourself, write your own review and stop relying on other people.

[Sandman]

I just got back from seeing it and I had mixed feelings about it. there were some cool parts but I left feeling somewhat empty. Like Cam said I did not care as much about the characters in the movie as I did in the book.

[MGM]

Saturday morning Watchmen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w)

:D

[XIII]

First, I'll say that directors need to stop with the fucking slo-mo. It was cool the first time around in Matrix. Now it's just fucking boring. Also, the fights : they were not fighting, they were dancing. :mad:

I thought it was an ok film, with some scenes really close to the graphic novel. And I agree that it didn't feel a movie. It felt like a TV show whose episode had been stuck all together.

And the ending didn't have the impact it was supposed to have. The "I did it 35 minutes ago" fell completely flat.

[Fasheem]

Wow. Really in-depth well-reasoned arguments here.

It's a mark of how blah the movie was that no one can get up any motivation to say much of anything about it.

[wolf_2099]

And the fact it dropped 73% second weekend.

[Stocky Boy]

I rather enjoyed the film.

I think it was a good adaptation. Not perfect, but pretty good. I quite enjoyed the way the history of capes was condensed into the credits at the start and the altered ending was understandable. No throwaway exposition for Bobastish (sp?), which felt odd. I don't think you should just have to accept there's a funny looking cat at the end of the film.
The film did feel choppy and I wonder if I would have felt the film was good, if I didn't know where the film was going previous to what I was watching.

I don't have a problem with the fighting. It's not the type of film that demands a serious interpretation on fighting, in spite of the realistic outcome of vigilantism as portrayed by Dollar Bills tragc but humourous death. Curiously I didn't have a problem with the slo-mo fighting either, which I found a bit annoying in 300.

[Junkogen]

I liked the movie so much that I saw it again at the IMAX.

I don't know why you're all being such boners about the film. It was fun. The hard-ass coarse voice is getting a little cliched in the comic movies, though.

Did anyone else think of the "priceless" commercials when Dr. Manhattan was going through his origin story?

I kind of wish they would have kept the giant mutated psychic squid for the ending instead of using the Dr. M power duplication angle. But I do think people would've written the movie off even more if they kept the original. Psychics and mystics just aren't as accepted now as they were in the '80s.

[XIII]

Oh, and another thing that annoyed me is that the opening fight scene has been extended way too long. That was unnecessary.

[Fasheem]

I don't know why you're all being such boners about the film.

I haven't seen it. Maybe I'll watch it tomorrow. (I won't.)

I've noticed that the main theme of Watchmen discussion threads is confusion. Like "not really sure what happened but I guess it was pretty cool in some parts", with a couple outliers who either LOVED it or HATED it.

[JediMindTrick]

i saw an elephant dick on an IMAX one time...impressive. most impressive.

[The French Biscuit]

I've noticed that the main theme of Watchmen discussion threads is confusion. Like "not really sure what happened but I guess it was pretty cool in some parts", with a couple outliers who either LOVED it or HATED it.

Yeah, I'm in the "not really sure what happened but I guess it was pretty cool in some parts" camp.

I liked the overall portrayal of the heroes and villains because they seemed like the types of heroes and villains that would actually emerge if fairly-regular joes just decided to be superheroes.

Favourite was definitely Rorschach. "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!" :D Badass.

Quite unimpressed with the female characters though. But what else is new. :rolleyes:

Basically, the movie made me want to pick up the graphic novel. :coffee:

[MGM]

Rorschach's line is the best of the novel, hands down.

I liked the movie, but I wonder how it is if you wouldn't know the story. Biscie, you didn't know the story, right? How well did the twist of the villain come over on screen? I felt it lacked in places, but that's due to the fact because 3 hours really is too short to tell the story and do justice to all the layers and subtleties. It's like telling LOTR in 3 hours. I did dislike some of the stupid characterizations, though (like Nite Owl and Spectre killing the robbers in the alley).

All in all I liked it, but was no masterpiece.

[Tragic Angelus]

I had fun with it and enjoyed it, regardless of how different it was from the story. I wasn't expecting carbon copies of the panels so I had a great deal of fun and excitement watching the movie.

I will admit, the villain reveal wasn't all it was in the book. But part of me attributes it to the overall deal of having read the source material already. All the key lines, monologues, scenes and events lacked that 'wow' or 'holy shit' kind of punch because I'd already heard/seen/knew them. There was no 'surprise' watching the film other than how exactly they altered the ending.

But seeing as how I'm not as nitpicky and anal as some of you here, I liked the movie.

[CBKA]

i saw an elephant dick on an IMAX one time...impressive. most impressive.

do tell me more

[CBKA]

Did anyone get the feeling it was obvious it was veigt from the beginning?

I mean we all know it was veigt because of the GN, but to people who were catching it for the first time?

[The French Biscuit]

Rorschach's line is the best of the novel, hands down.

I liked the movie, but I wonder how it is if you wouldn't know the story. Biscie, you didn't know the story, right? How well did the twist of the villain come over on screen? I felt it lacked in places, but that's due to the fact because 3 hours really is too short to tell the story and do justice to all the layers and subtleties. It's like telling LOTR in 3 hours. I did dislike some of the stupid characterizations, though (like Nite Owl and Spectre killing the robbers in the alley).

All in all I liked it, but was no masterpiece.

Yeah, I left the movie feeling like it was one long trailer for the graphic novel. All the good parts but not a lot of development. Which is about all one can expect from a movie based on a literary work anyway so, meh.

I didn't get the point of that fight scene in the alley. It was like they felt the movie was lagging so they just threw in a fight scene to pick up the pace.

Only thing I felt about the villain twist was that his whole adoration of the pharaohs was such a cliche. :blah1:

I concur with your last sentence.

[Stocky Boy]

Did anyone get the feeling it was obvious it was veigt from the beginning?

I mean we all know it was veigt because of the GN, but to people who were catching it for the first time?

I was struggling with this one too. It seems to me like maybe I would have twigged it was him all along, if I hadn't read the graphic novel.

Veidt's admiration for the pharoahs is much better portrayed in the book, which if I remember correctly appears mainly in the magazine interview extract at the end of the penultimate issue.

[MGM]

Apparently Biscie didn't see it coming, so somehow it worked.

[wolf_2099]

Did anyone else not give a damn about the characters at all? I could have seen any of them die, and not even blinked.

Even the event at the end didn't even faze me. I just was not emotionally invested in this film at all.

With the comic however, it shocked the shit out of me when the squid showed up, and Rosarch ate it.

[Junkogen]

I know this isn't exclusive to this movie, but the part where the hippy girl puts the flower in the gun and they opened fire...:bigcry:

That just pretty much sums up what's wrong with this fucking world.

[The French Biscuit]

Apparently Biscie didn't see it coming, so somehow it worked.

I didn't really care enough to try and figure out who the villain was, and when it was revealed I just went along with it. I wasn't surprised or thinking "Oh, no way! Didn't see that one coming."

I'm with wolf, I didn't really care about any of the characters except for Rorschach. :e2bummed:

[Mr Wallstreet]

I finally saw Watchmen on DVD. As an adaption of Moore's work, it was "okay". As a comic film on its own, I thought it was a good film. Take the two together, and overall I thought it was an enjoyable experience. While not great by standard it certainley was enjoyable.

The pacing of the movie, while slow at some points, didn't really feel clunky to me. Snyder tried his best to stay as faithful to the comic as he could and it showed in the film. The chronology of the scenes in the film matched up the chronology of the scenes in the comic at least 60-70% of the time and I was able to follow them with ease without getting confused.

I felt the actors did a good job protraying their characters, however some were far more interesting than others. When I last read Watchmen, the character who I thought was most interesting was Rorschach. When watching the film, the character I was most interested in was Jeff Dean Morgan's Comedian. Seeing the Comedian's sadistic tendancies and apathetic attitude towards everything and everyone brought to life were pretty damn good. Guy who played Nite-Owl, while he did look a lot like him, I felt he was just there reading lines. I never felt he was really trying to be Nite-Owl, which is a shame because that guy is a great actor (see: Angels in America).

The fight scenes, however great they looked, were too stylized and too reminiscent of 300; didn't fit in so well here. Dirtier fight scenes that didn't have the actors moving gracefull about the screen without slow-mo would've worked better. The two places where a slow-mo/matrix/300 scene would've worked and been appropriate was when the assassain tried to shoot Ozymandais in his office and he deflected it and towards the end where he was shot but catches the bullet; however, thats just me nit-picking.

I do agree that using Dr. Manhattan as a scapegoat to unite the nations was weak. It felt like Snyder needed to give "the ending" something to tie it back to the Watchmen but it just felt empty.

So overall, while the film did have its flaws, they didn't entirely ruin the film for me. Will I buy it? Definitely not, unless its on sale in the bargain bin box.

EDIT:

Playing Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are-A Changing" while scenes of civil unrest, protest, riots, death, war and destruction played in the background, I thought was one of the best parts of the film.

[XIII]

I want to ask you guys, did anybody get or watch the DVD they did with the pirate story? Is it any good?

[The French Biscuit]

Apparently Biscie didn't see it coming, so somehow it worked.

Did I say that? :monocle: