Wolverine Origins

[wolf_2099]

Has apparently been leaked onto the internets! I might be downloading this.

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=wolverine+origins&cat=0

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/04/alleged-wolveri.html

[MGM]

I heard not all the special effects are in, though.

[wolf_2099]

Some are.
Apparently even with that considered, it still sucks.

[jedispyder]

I'm downloading a copy so I'll let everyone know ;)

From what I've heard its supposed to be good, but I've also heard the "POS save your money" side. I'll know tomorrow, lol...

[wolf_2099]

That version of the movie was bad.
As a comic book film, fucking atrocious.
One of the worst I have ever seen.

[wolf_2099]

I just thought the whole thing was a bunch of scenes that are supposed to be cool, throw together into a bad film.

[jedispyder]

I have to agree that it wasn't that great. I still enjoyed it, but felt some of the changes were complete BS.

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-WTF did they do to Deadpool? I'm just gonna plead ignorance and conclude that "Deadpool" at the end of the movie wasn't Wade Wilson. Sure, Wolvie said "is that you, Wade?" but obviously Deadpool didn't respond. So it's not Wade Wilson, and just Weapon XI. Complete bullshit is what they did to him. [plus, you know, it wasn't Ryan Reynolds who played Weapon XI so its Wade Wilson, no matter what anyone else fucking says]
-Cyclops. Hello, they're beams of force and not beams of energy, so things should not be catching on fire. If you want to go the ignorance route, you can say in the school he hit electrical and that caught stuff on fire. But that doesn't explain what happened in the end with the fight between Deadpool and Wolvie/Sabes. After Wolvie was completely ridiculous with "blocking" the beams by just connecting his claws (wtf?) when he was knocked off and came up his claws were bright red, indicating they were red hot from energy.
-Wolvie cutting down the fire escape. Need I really say more? So fucking ridiculous...
-Gambit acting like a cat throughout parts, walking up a wall to jump across. Sure, it was cool for a short bit but when he kept doing it and made it not look like regular acrobatics? Ghey...

The plot was there but it didn't always get connected, some of the scenes could definitely have included better dialog, and I do agree it was like they used dialog solely to connect action sequences. I loved seeing Prof X in the end, that was frickin cool and unexpected.

Overall I still enjoyed it, and do plan to see the finished thing at the midnight showing...

[wolf_2099]

The part that was pissing me off too?
Just because wolverine's claws can cut through anything, doesn't mean he is strong enough too.

You seriosuly expect me to believe he can hold a stiff arms, connect at 60 MPH or whatever, and cit through a car? Like his arm wouldn't be thrown back, and shoulder dislocated. Same with helicopter blades.

[jedispyder]

Hahaha, I KNOW! Screw the car, think of the helicopter! That woulda rebouned him out of the air and back on the ground if he tried to do that in real life.

Same thing with Sabretooth and the car, he made it look like he was just slicing through butter when he cut the hood. He shoulda at least had to strain a little, lol...

[wolf_2099]

That thing with sabretooth I imagine will be changed with the final cut. It looked very unfinished. The car/helicopter scene were in the previews though.

And what was with everyones ridiculous leaping?
Sabretooth looked terrible, The Shooter, weapon 0 can apperently jump 30 feet in the air.
And wolverine, with a 100 pounds of metal in him, can apperently be launched 50 feet in the air.

[MGM]

Dude, you think too much.

But, Cyclops does shoot beams of energy.

[jedispyder]

I'm always plagued by wrong word choice. His force beams are a form of energy, but are not like lazers as portrayed in the movie. There an issue of Uncanny after he came back from the dead that made sure we knew that, lol. He was annoyed at his dad for thinking his force beams could light a fire...

[wolf_2099]

They are force, not heat.

Is it seriously too much to ask for the basics of research to be done into character they make? Or for a movie to try and be somewhat believable?

The amount of people willing to swallow the shitty movies Hollywood pumps out this days is ridiculous. (Not at you MGM, just heard so many people say "it's a comic movie" etc, etc.) So was Dark Knight, so was X-Men and X2, they were done well.

[MGM]

No, I'm not saying a shit movie is okay. But I don't have a problem with a superhero action movie that defies belief somewhat. Because let's face it, every Bond movie does the same thing.

[wolf_2099]

Mm, yes, I agree. This was cheesy though, very cheesy, and badly written. The whole movie came off as cheesy, whereas bond and the other films I mentioned took a more serious tone.
It's hard to explain, sorry.

[Captain Jack]

My only hope was that fox released this intentionally, to throw us off for the real (read: decent) ending they will put in the movie release. Please, please, please?

[jedispyder]

I'm just more pissed at how they desecrated Deadpool/Wade Wilson than how sucky the movie was. I was able to enjoy the movie by turning off my brain, but seeing all the shit that happens to the Merc w/the Mouth just annoys the fuck outa me, lol...

[wolf_2099]

My only hope was that fox released this intentionally, to throw us off for the real (read: decent) ending they will put in the movie release. Please, please, please?

No way. The bad word of mouth is far worse than anything else they could have wanted to accomplish.

[Python]

Isn't this the version before they went back and filmed the extra scenes with Deadpool?

I'm not going to pass judgment until I see the final product.

[wolf_2099]

10 minutes of re-shoots are not in it.
This version was so ver, very bad though, I honestly cannot see how they can have improved it without re-writing the entire thing.

[William McDert]

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I watched this last night with all my roomates, but I was in the middle of a game of Stratego so I didn't actually start WATCHING until the part where Sabertooth breaks his bone claws.

I actually loved the movie. Yes, Gambit's cat shit was weird and yes cyclops doesn't shot fire and yes Deadpool was basically that dude from Mortal Kombat.

2/4 of my roomates know almost as much as me about comics and we made jokes throughout the whole film but overall it was very enjoyable. No it didn't sync up perfectly with the comics but for an action movie, it delivers. It even managed to make us all sad when those dudes that took in wolvie on the farm got shot. There was alot of ridiculous WTF moments but it made sense for a MOVIE.

I give it 7.5/10 as a comics fag, 8/10 as a movie fag.

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[William McDert]

Oh also, the END end, with Stryker walking down the road. Very unnecessary.

[Mr Wallstreet]

I haven't seen the pirated film or read the reviews/spoilers but I plan on seeing it with some friends regardless. Even if its pure crap, it'll still be a fun time with the guys n gals.

[jedispyder]

That was fucking stupid, lol! And while seeing Wolvie drinking in the end and him quipping "Drinking to remember", I feel that was unnecessary as well. Did we really need to see that? How does it really help anything in the movie? No, it doesn't. We already know he has memory problems...

[wolf_2099]

This opens tomorrow.

Anyone plan on seeing it? Especially after Fox apparently lied about there being changes from the work print?
I for one will see it tomorrow, mostly just to keep up my seeing every comic film opening day thing going.

[jedispyder]

I'm planning for a midnight showing. Supposedly they did change some of the hidden things at the end, but no real confirmation let. I'll let you know after I see it tonight. It is supposed to be better when its complete, I have friends who saw the first showing last night (aka the theatre test screening), they said it was really good...

[Goshin]

i skipped past without reading the spoilers. i learned my lesson cuz one of u guys spoiled x-men 2 for me by saying jean died

[CountD]

Dude, you think too much.

But, Cyclops does shoot beams of energy.

not to rehash, but this is what I thought also.

[CountD]

Oh also, the END end, with Stryker walking down the road. Very unnecessary.

no spoiler tag, man.

[jedispyder]

The very last scene is different, yay! So no more "drinking to remember", which was much better than the Stryker shitfest. Everyone will love the new scene ^_^

[Mr Wallstreet]

I'll be going to see this late next week sometime. The large quantity of negative reviews hasn't deterred me from seeing it.

[MGM]

The last scene is STILL drinking to remember.

Also, Gambit's part was pretty good.

[wolf_2099]

This movie was terrible.
Full of plot holes, no substance, all flash.
Characters thrown in for no good reason, other than to say they were in the movie.
About a dozen people walked out when I saw it, 4 or 5 of them during the fire escape scene.

Without even nit-picking the little things, or comic things I can think of some huge problems:

Cyclops being taken into custody, when he can just take off the eye mask and fuck everyone up?
The Gambit fight scene. Seriously, the fire escape? Awful. No accent? Where is the Cajun? And when did Gambit get telekinesis? Why the hell did they even fight, really?

Wolverine (and Sabretooth), despite having fought in several of the worlds largest conflicts had never got shot ion the head? Not even during the firing squad? Yet when 1 bullet hits him in the skull (did it penetrate?) he lost his memory? If it did penetrate, why was there no hole when they x-rayed him in X-Men? If it didn't why didn't he loose his memory when he was shot in the head earlier in the movie by Zero, or in X2?

And Deadpool, seriously? (That, and the bullet thing in the beginning, with the swords.

Also, how did Sabretooth get on top of the reactor chimney, how the fuck was he not a smear on the ground after jumping off?

Blocking force beams (not fire, damnit, get it right!) with your claws?

Silverfox and Emma Frost as sisters?

The CGI claws also looked like shit.

Apparently being a mutant you can also jump 30 feet in the air, no matter what your power is.


This sums it up well, and it isn't a joke... (no mjaor spoilers)


...And the fact that Wolverine's memory loss was caused by adamantium bullets, got his name from a poem, that mutant powers can be transplanted at will from one person to another, Gambit is telekinetic and has a Southern accent, that Wolverine's claws can block and then bounce back Cyclops' optic blast like a Dragon Ball Z cartoon, and THAT CYCLOPS WAS EVEN IN THE FUCKING MOVIE AT ALL


This movie was filled with campy, over-done and over-used camera shots, flashy special effects, and not enough attention to putting in a remotely plausible (even for a comic film) plot.

It also doesn't help that this movie was a pretty solid slap in the face to anyone who enjoyed the source material, either. They took, about 5 of Wolverines best storylines, and threw in a shitload of other characters, and did not do a single one of them justice.

Poor Deadpool.

[jedispyder]

Basically, it was an action movie for the non-comic fans that had dialogue only as slight glue to combine all the action sequences.

And what the fuck was up with the shitty as CGI on his claws in the bathroom? They looked like they were animated, so horrible. I seriously thought they were going to finish the CGI, but seems instead of finishing it they just bitched about it being "stolen" and left it alone...

[Python]

Inconsistencies with the comics aside, I thought it was a great movie. I loved every minute of it. It was much better than X-Men 3.

The Fire Escape Scene was pretty dumb, though. Gambit did have an accent, but it was very slight. I prefer that to an overdone accent.

I thought the casting for everyone was great! Tahyna Tozzi as Emma was ridiculously hot.

Cyclops being taken into custody, when he can just take off the eye mask and fuck everyone up?

It looked like his arms were captive most of the time. Other than that, unless it was laced with ruby quartz, he should have been able to blow it off just by opening his eyes.

Apparently being a mutant you can also jump 30 feet in the air, no matter what your power is.


If you're referring to Gambit, I imagined he was using force from a kinetic explosion to give him a jumping boost, which is clever use of his powers.

I did not notice the claws CGI, aside from the sparks.

Judging by the end of the credits, they're probably going to make a sequel of him jacking up Hand assassins in Japan.

Wolverine (and Sabretooth), despite having fought in several of the worlds largest conflicts had never got shot ion the head? Not even during the firing squad? Yet when 1 bullet hits him in the skull (did it penetrate?) he lost his memory? If it did penetrate, why was there no hole when they x-rayed him in X-Men? If it didn't why didn't he loose his memory when he was shot in the head earlier in the movie by Zero, or in X2?

My best guess is that the adamantium bullets hit him hard enough to give him a concussion and amnesia. The bullets from Zero & X2 weren't adamantium. I did notice that he shrugged off normal rounds to the head easily in this movie, but being shot point-blank by that cop in X2 knocked him out. They were clearly trying to make Wolvie much more super-human in this movie.

[Goshin]

WHY THE HELL DIDNT DEADPOOL TALK IN THE FINAL FIGHT!?! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!


The Adamantium bullets thing was stupid

Xavier appearaing at the end was a pleasant suprise.

Favorite part? Wolverine bitch smacking Gambit during the fight in the alley with Sabretooth lol

[jedispyder]

Yeah...Deadpool didn't talk in the final fight cause, well, he had no fucking mouth! They grafted skin over it, meaning he can't open. If you can't open your mouth, you can't talk. Plus he was being controlled by Stryker, so he wasn't like the Deadpool we know. At the end after all the rubble fell and the facility went boom, he regained control and became the Deadpool we all know and love, especially with him breaking the 4th wall and go "shhh". Hands down, best part of the movie...

[Goshin]

a sharp piece of rubble cut hip mouth open during the fall and his body ran around for ten minutes trying to find his head and after his head was put back on...



"aahhhh..... that hurt! hey, this dead chick looks pretty hot! should i?



naaaahh..."

[Goshin]

a sharp piece of rubble cut hip mouth open during the fall and his body ran around for ten minutes trying to find his head and after his head was put back on...



"aahhhh..... that hurt! hey, this dead chick looks pretty hot! should i?



naaaahh..."

[Fasheem]

Gambit did have an accent, but it was very slight. I prefer that to an overdone accent.

I loved this. Okay. I hate the fake shitty accents so many of the actors in these movies have had. (Like Nightcrawler. Ugh, what WAS that? It wasn't a German accent, that's for sure.) He sounded Cajun to me, just a tiny little bit Cajun. Perfect.

I liked seeing Wolverine fucking shit up. That's about it, really. That was a really really bad movie, but still more enjoyable than X2 or X3.

I didn't know who most of those characters were. I've heard of Silverfox but I had no idea that white chick was supposed to be Silverfox until I read it in this thread just now.

I started laughing hysterically when Styker and whoever were having that meeting and someone said something like "This is turning into a complete disaster!" He just sounded so surprised. We never could have predicted our fucked up plan about human weapons getting all fucked up and them turning on us! Who could have seen that coming! Really. That summed it up for me. So completely implausible, everything about the movie made no sense at all.

[Python]

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I have heard that there are two different endings after the credits roll. The first one, where Logan is taking "shots to remember" in Japan, I have seen. I heard that the second ending is Deadpool's body rising from the rubble of the reactor and petting his head.

Confirm/Deny?

[wolf_2099]

The Wolvie shot is in the leaked version. I think the movie has both attached to it.

[jedispyder]

When you go to the theater you have 1 or the other, never both. I was lucky to catch the Deadpool scene since I already saw the shots scene in the download. It seems to just be random as to which screening has which ending...

[Goshin]

was agent zero supposed to be maverick?

[wolf_2099]

was agent zero supposed to be maverick?

Or the Frenchman from Morrisons run?

I think it was like beak, where they just used the name.

[MGM]

I think he was supposed to be Maverick, but without his absorbing powers. Or whatever powers the dude actually has.

[jedispyder]

Maverick became known as Agent Zero during the Weapon X series by Frank Tieri after his sidekick became known as Maverick. His sidekick is what Dominic Monoghan(sp) was in this movie (he was originally supposed to be Beak but they decided against it, which sucks). In the movie they just made Maverick Asian and completely different powers (if he even has powers).

The "french dude" from Morrison's run was Fantomex and frickin awesome, I'd have loved if they had used him in here since he's from Weapon X but oh well...

[IrishCream]

The last scene is STILL drinking to remember.

Also, Gambit's part was pretty good.

Depending on where you see the movie, you either get the drinking ending or the Deadpool one.

[Goshin]

i saw it in theaters they day it came out and saw the drinking asian chick ending that deadpool one probably will end up on the dvd

[Fasheem]

Maverick became known as Agent Zero during the Weapon X series by Frank Tieri after his sidekick became known as Maverick. His sidekick is what Dominic Monoghan(sp) was in this movie (he was originally supposed to be Beak but they decided against it, which sucks). In the movie they just made Maverick Asian and completely different powers (if he even has powers).

The "french dude" from Morrison's run was Fantomex and frickin awesome, I'd have loved if they had used him in here since he's from Weapon X but oh well...

I had completely forgotten that Beak was supposed to be in this movie. Until now. Dominic Monaghan was the guy with the electricity powers right? Another character I had never heard of before the movie.

Agent Zero just seemed to be some sort of sharpshooter.

[Mr Wallstreet]

Saw the Origins last night and while it did have a ton of problems with it, many of which have been covered here at length, I didn't loathe it. It was barely okay and the reason why I give it that, at the very least, is because while it failed as a comic book film or a film with a coherent story, it worked as a brainless action film and it did have a few humerous parts.

I thought Gambit was okay, his accent wasn't hammed up; it was very subtle and as for his ability to leap 30 feet in the air and act as a telekinetic - I interpreted that as Gambit using his mutant powers to push him forward or his cards through the air. Deadpool was great and I am fully convinced he should get his own film.

I pretty much agree with the finer points of all the plot holes (Cyclops shooting energy beams, Emma and Silverfox being sisters, CGI bone claws looking lame, Victor looking ridiculous while leaping, Wolverine being able to slice through cars and helicopters etc...)

I definitely will not be buying it and may watch it only once more when it comes out on DVD.

[Mr Wallstreet]

As far as research into the (supporting) characters goes, I'm sure the writers and directors did their job in learning the history and powers of all the characters, but when it didn't fit with what they wanted to do, they chucked the research and wrote the characters to their specifications.

[XIII]

Just came back from seeing and I'm disappointed to hear there is a Deadpool ending for this as I got the Wolvie one which is definitely useless.

So the movie was so-so. Deadpool and Gambit were royally screwed up. The CGI were really really cheap to the point where some scenes looked completely off and it was fucking obvious the actors were actually standing in front of a blue screen.
I would need to see X3 again to compare but this is so inferior to X2 even though, they made good on having the 2 movies connecting.

Also, who was that black teleporting dude supposed to be?

[Python]

Also, who was that black teleporting dude supposed to be?

Wraith.

A character I had never heard of before this movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kestrel_(Marvel_Comics)

[XIII]

That link doesn't work.

[MGM]

It does now.

[XIII]

Thanks. I had never heard of him.

[wolf_2099]

Some deadpool news.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21412

Hopefully RR isn`t lying.