View Full Version : More NYCC News! Creators speak out about the 2 Cons
Mr Wallstreet
09-10-2009, 09:02 PM
The New York Comic Con is going to merge with New York Anime Festival at the 2010 Con. Next year, instead of getting half the basement, both events will get, seemingly, a whole floor to themselves, and will occupy almost all of the Jacob Javits Center.
This makes me feel all warm and squishy inside. I felt a bit bad for the Anime fans the last 2 years. While comic fans had almost 2 whole floors to walk around, anime fans only had half a floor.
Also, it seems the Con organizers have finalized a permanent date for future Cons: October.
<snip>“Our decision to co-locate NYAF with NYCC is the final installment of a strategic plan to place and sequence our pop culture events in a manner that best serves the needs of our fans and exhibitors,” notes Lance Fensterman, Vice President of the Reed Exhibitions Pop Culture Group. “We are launching the Chicago Comic and Entetainment Expo (C2E2) in April 2010, and we have moved NYCC to a permanent October date, thus providing a spring and fall balance to these two key events which will remain in place as we move forward. Rather than create a third date for NYAF, it was decided a co-location would be better for anime fans, professionals, exhibitors, and partners. We spoke to attendees and exhibitors of both shows before making this decision, and everyone agrees that this will provide an opportunity for both shows to further grow and prosper.” <snip>
Full article:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090910-NYCC-Anime.html
And why do we have to share with anime fans and their ridiculous cosplay? I don't feel bad for them. I feel murder, beating.
Why does it have to happen at the same date? I'm bummed.
wolf_2099
09-11-2009, 12:30 PM
And why do we have to share with anime fans and their ridiculous cosplay? I don't feel bad for them. I feel murder, beating.
Why does it have to happen at the same date? I'm bummed.
Me too. Partly for what you said, partly because that is the first step it it becoming a non comic comiccon.
Next thing we know, video game floor, then TV movies, then comics take a back seat, ala San Diego.
All in the name of more cash.
Stocky Boy
09-11-2009, 01:43 PM
Can't blame them I guess.
From our immediate point of view though, this quite possibly means a much more ridiculously long first day queue and possibly even weekend ones too.
CountD
09-11-2009, 02:03 PM
there was an anime' floor? WTF!? LOL
Mr Wallstreet
09-11-2009, 04:34 PM
Me too. Partly for what you said, partly because that is the first step it it becoming a non comic comiccon.
Next thing we know, video game floor, then TV movies, then comics take a back seat, ala San Diego.
All in the name of more cash.
Its already well on its way to becoming a non-comic con. On a lot of news websites and publications (Wizard being the most prominent) its billed as more of a pop-culture convention (also see the above article) than a comic con. It has rooms, panels and booths for video games, movies and television shows so looks like its only a matter of time till each even has its own floor.
And I would pay good money to see XIII attack a cosplay person.
wolf_2099
09-11-2009, 06:10 PM
I'll help XIII.
We don't do lines anyways, but, the larger the con gets, the harder it will be to jump the que, since security will improve.
I hope this wouldn't affect the amount of dealer tables.
Can't blame them I guess.
From our immediate point of view though, this quite possibly means a much more ridiculously long first day queue and possibly even weekend ones too.
I reallly intent to try our "let's enter the front door pretending we know what we're doing and no one will notice" on the FIRST day. Those queues are ridiculous and I'm not taking them anymore.
Stocky Boy
09-12-2009, 03:55 AM
I think while reading observations on SDCC they said the contributions of video game and film exhibitions didn't really cut into the comic stuff. Dealer areas were simply not as packed. If this holds true for NYCC, the only real bother will simply be people and queues rather than less comic related stuff.
Tragic Angelus
09-12-2009, 04:38 AM
I highly doubt it'd be an immediate improvement in security just yet. More people? Yes. Improvement? No, not the first year. First year will probably be some what of a clusterfuck since they won't know how to get all the kinks between the systems worked out. After about 2 years together, then they'll know a little bettrer on how to deal with things.
I certainly hope we won't the panel stuffing shit that happened in San Diego. (Fables fans not being able to attend Fables panel cause it was full of fans of the TV show panels that would follow)
Stocky Boy
09-12-2009, 03:22 PM
That would seem something that should be high up on a list of things to get sorted.
They should have recorded numbers of attendees to each previous panel and allocate rooms and times accordingly.
Of course, whether they've done this and correctly follow through is another matter.
Mr Wallstreet
10-09-2009, 03:38 PM
As Arn announced on Facebook, tickets for NYCC10 have gone on sale and the first guests of honor have been named: John Romita & John Romita Jr.
Full article:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091009-nycc-1st-guests.html
Come on guys, roll call!! Who's in?
I am.
Meek? is 99% not
MGM is.
Wally is in.
Cameron, you don't have a choice. Same for Stocky and Sandman.
Who else?
D, he lives there, right?
D! Yes! D, you better be there man!
Mr Wallstreet
10-17-2009, 08:10 AM
"We confidently welcome any competition, whomever they may be," was the response of Reed Exhibitions, in light of Friday's surprise news that Gareb Shamus' Big Apple Con will to head-to-head in 2010 with Reed's New York Comic-Con & Anime Fest.
As announced in the show program for the 2009 Big Apple Con, which began today, next year's show is scheduled for Oct. 7-10, the same weekend of the newly combined New York Comic Con/Anime Fest, a three-day event scheduled for October 8-10 at New York's Javits Convention Center.
Full article:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091016-NYCC-VS-Big-Apple.html
Ultimately I'm going to NYCC with you guys but I may check out the Big Apple Con just to see what its like. Also, if its got some big name creators who aren't at the NY10CC and haven't been there the last 2 years then I'll definitely check it out.
wolf_2099
10-17-2009, 11:38 AM
Big Apple snagged some of NYCC old guests.
This kind of blows.
wolf_2099
10-17-2009, 11:43 AM
This really is a dick move by Big Apple.
They are probably trying to steal business from the people traveling in to NYCC.
Well, I'm considering buying ticket for each. And visit both. I'll decide when we have guest lists more complete. I'll guess they'll fight for exclusive appearances of creators.
Stocky Boy
10-18-2009, 05:05 AM
Apparantly this Shamus chap has a history of dick moves. Well, according to some of the comments on that link.
Who have they snagged Cam?
With NYCC set to use more of the JJC (not all for comics though (anime)) this plus growing yearly attendance should help pursuade clients to stick with NYCC.
Arn, I suppose, at the very least, if Big Apple does something on the Thursday then that's atleast a 'no compete day' that we could all attend.
I like your thinking!
And I'm pretty the real exciting stuff will be happening at NYCC. DC & Marvel won't have any official representation at Big Apple. Also, guys like CB Cebulski (talent coordinator at Marvel) really have it in for Wizard so I guess he'll encourage the majority of Marvel artists to attend NYCC instead.
What I'm concerned about is that NYCC is already 60% sold (as they say in the statement). Do they mean tickets or exhibitor floor? If tickets, I might get mine this week, just to be sure.
Mr Wallstreet
10-18-2009, 11:00 AM
Not sure if I'd call this a dick move exactly. I think its Big Apple just trying to get in on the market for pop-culture/comic related things. Until the last 5-7 years, no one really thought of the comic business as lucrative. I can see it as annoying from a fan's perspective that now all the creative talent is no longer all under one roof.
Also with the NYCC being so new it makes sense that if anyone wanted to get in on it, they should do it now while NYCC is still going to hiccups and bumps with their logistics/planning (I mean really - a Con in February?) and still has yet to establish themselves as The Con for NY. Theres no way in hell Shamus try this with the San Diego Con.
What I'm concerned about is that NYCC is already 60% sold (as they say in the statement). Do they mean tickets or exhibitor floor? If tickets, I might get mine this week, just to be sure.
Are tickets really already 60% sold? That's crazy. I think I just might have to get mine this week also.
Has anyone else purchased their tickets yet?
Dude, NYCC is the second biggest show in NYC. I don't think they need to establish themselves.
It's definitely a dick move. How many retailers will be able to be at both shows? Even in October, there were 3 other weekends to choose from.
Anyway, this 60% sold out stuff serious? 'Cause I'll get my tickets this week, than.
I don't know. It might be that they've sold 60% of exhibitors tables as well.
Still buying my tickets this week though.
Mr Wallstreet
10-20-2009, 07:36 PM
Okay then. I'm going to buy my tickets this week.
Tickets bought, my and Natascha will be there.
Mr Wallstreet
10-25-2009, 07:40 PM
Got my tickets for NYCC.
Not sure whether I'll purchase a one-day pass for the Big Apple Con.
I'm close to having an overdrawn account but as soon as I get my paycheck, I'll buy my tickets.
Stocky Boy
10-26-2009, 03:42 PM
I guess I'll buy my ticket soon too. This weekend perhaps.
On Paul O'Brien and Al Kennedy's podcast, House to Astonish, they talked about the convention war. They are of the opinion that there's only one reason why you book your convention on the same weekend as another i.e. battle. They, or atleast Paul, is of the opinion that Shamus over estimates the value of the brand Wizard now and also during their heyday and the strength of his connections with comic industry people.
Hey, Stockwell, fancy sharing your hotel room with me again?
I'll have to listen to the podcast. I'm two issues behind on HtA.
The French Biscuit
10-31-2009, 04:14 PM
And why do we have to share with anime fans and their ridiculous cosplay? I don't feel bad for them. I feel murder, beating.
Why does it have to happen at the same date? I'm bummed.
Me too. Partly for what you said, partly because that is the first step it it becoming a non comic comiccon.
Next thing we know, video game floor, then TV movies, then comics take a back seat, ala San Diego.
All in the name of more cash.
Anime fans love you too. :love:
Tragic Angelus
10-31-2009, 05:33 PM
Anime fans cannot love, for they have no souls nor hearts to love with.
Hopefully, since the whole JJC is booked, comics area and anime area will be clearly separated.
Sandman
11-02-2009, 10:53 AM
I just bought mine too. does anyone want to do the lord of the rings thing? they will be showing the movie at Radio city music hall with a live band playing the score! I wish I knew bout it before, the fellowship of the ring is next week but they will be doing the two towers while everyone is there for the con
Not too sure about that. I'd rather spend the money on buying drinks at Milano's :D
Mr Wallstreet
11-25-2009, 10:59 AM
I just bought mine too. does anyone want to do the lord of the rings thing? they will be showing the movie at Radio city music hall with a live band playing the score! I wish I knew bout it before, the fellowship of the ring is next week but they will be doing the two towers while everyone is there for the con
Depends. It sounds fun but tickets will likely be very pricey so I guess I'll see.
Mr Wallstreet
11-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Looks like Shamus is serious about making his Wizard a competitor in the Con circuit. he just brought the New England CC. Sorry Stocky, not England but New England Comic Con.
Full article:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091124-wizard-comiccon-new-england.html
Stocky Boy
11-25-2009, 05:31 PM
What else does this guy do? He seems to have pockets full of money.
I think he made money on comics speculation. Quite easy when you own a magazine that has a price guide inside.
Mr Wallstreet
12-02-2009, 10:25 AM
Some creators have been asked about the situation for the 2010 CC; NYCC vs. Big Apple and, for the creators who were interviewed the general consensus is that its in poor taste for Shamus set up his Con on the same weekend as the already established NYCC by Reed Exhibitions
One creator even went as far as to say that rather than have the Big Apple Con be for the fans, the BAC seems to be just another way for Shamus to maximize his profits & exploit fans rather than support them. There were quite a few interesting answers:
- Do you think the comic book industry can support two conventions on the same weekends, what are your plans for those respective weekends, and why did you choose to participate in whatever manner you chose?
Jamal Igle (Supergirl, World's Finest): Absolutely. If the conventions are on opposite sides of the country and catering to different regional markets then you can have two conventions on the same weekend. Emerald City/ Megacon, Motor City Comicon/ ComicConn in Connecticut, are examples of that.
However if you are foolish enough to have a convention on the same weekend, in the same city, 20 blocks away from a major convention center holding the most successful convention in the NYC area in a decade. Also if that convention is being run by one of the largest convention organizing companies on the planet, I don't know how you can possibly think you're going to engender yourself to the fans or to the professionals who have to choose between the two.
I have conventions that I frequent on a regular basis either because I like the city the convention is being held in or I have a good relationship with the promoters. Heroescon, I think I've missed two or three in the last 15 years. Others I've had to skip because my schedule only allows me to attend one show a month, and with so many conventions I have to pick and choose carefully.I'm also attending a lot of new conventions this year as well, because the organizers went out of their way to invite me( A full list can be found on my website) and i always appreciate that. With the situation that's happening in New York in October, it really came down to "Who do I have a better relationship with?" New York Comic-con has, since their inception, gone out of their way to make me feel welcomed at their show and have taken good care of me. What Wizard had done, in my opinion, has been the height of bad form. This is not the first time of course they've done it; I remember them pulling a similar tactic against Shelton Drum and Heroescon a few years ago. Because of that, I haven't attended a Wizard show in two years, especially Wizard World Philly, even though it's a short drive away. In this case, it's truly inexcusible since they clearly knew in advance when NYCC's convention was slated for.
We have limited budgets, fans, creators and companies independent and mainstream. Why waste it doing business with a company who deals in shady business practices.
Jim Valentino, Shadowline (Image United): I don't believe that the industry can support two major conventions (for example; San Diego and New York), but it can support two small or mid-sized shows. These smaller shows tend to serve area fans and professionals (not everyone can make it to the larger more expensive venues -- Chicago, NY, SD).
I recently had three cons on the same weekend. Since I had never been to any of them, I had no data to base a decision on, so I simply went with the first one to ask (a good bit of advice there for promoters is to ask early!).
If I've been to a convention before, I'll know whether or not it was a good show for me. If it was, then it's a no-brainer to go again; if not, then I'll choose a competing show...if asked to attend.
That's my solution. Your mileage may vary.
Full article with more creator answers:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091201-The-Q-Conventions.html
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